ok i have a decent PHP book. BUT its SOOO thick, anywho what should i learn first to learn how to make a basic site (i know html pretty well and i understand php adds to is etc) which has things like counted downloads, a smalldatabase for them etc so i can easilly add them by uploadin a pic etc. well if you need to know the books called "programming PHP" O'really.

thanks for any help what so ever.

i'd start off by learning how to do basic programming (probably in the beginning of the book.) stuff like declaring variables, strings, manipulating strings, arrays, operators, decisions, loops, stuff like that. you can also start off with something basic like including other pages and trying different things and seeing what works and what doesn't.

i'd definitely not start off by hitting databases and what nots 'cos those require you to know basic programming stuff. unless you all ready know that which will make things alot easier for you.

you'll notice that programming (even in php :)) is a whole lot different then html. it's alot more fun 'cos you can do so much more. after you know php you might actually want to get into a full blown programming language like java or c++. who knows ;)

My first bet would be to look these up in your book and know them off by heart:

echo()
include()
What are variables?

Anybody could make a simple website with the 3 functions you see above :) .

thanks will do, just when i opened the book i didnt know what i should learn first, thanks again.