Is anyone still up, I'm fiddling with my webpage and I've got my sleep scedual all out of whack...any other artists out there? anyone at all?
I"m just increadably bored.

Haha, I'm still up, because it's 4.50 pm here :D
Artists as in, drawing, painting crafts etc?

Hi
yes, well, I do cgi stuff too
I would think, with people all over the world there would never really be any down time on the web, but then, there always is

cgi? what exactly is that? I always thought it was um, a web related thing?

Haha, unfortunately there is, weirdly so. Where are you from? :)

just computer graphics manly, I either scan in a line drawing or draw and paint it completly on the computer

Houston texas

Ach, I should've guessed. I knew, then I forgot. :lol:

Your dolls are cute :D I like your illustrations, especially the fire ;D

Ohh I like that 'Red Anger' one you have on your DA. I do digital illustrations as well. :) Well...I'm really just a beginner. I use a tablet and a java applet to draw on the computer. Really want to get into painting and sculpting outside of school but I'm not exactly set up for it yet...

the red anger is a watercolor, a lot of the other stuff is the same principle, "color, place dark ,think ouline over"

I use photoshop elements because its what my bf has on his computer, I apsolutly love it, the only draw back is that It cant do anything with gif files, I fortunatly have photo impact for that

but its a lot of coloring mostly, you'de be surprised what kind of variations you can get from doing a combination of media, drawing the outline on paper and scanning or taking pictures and modifing them

anything can become art, I made a sculpture out of glueing broken plastic toys together once...it doesnt have to be special or expensive

I like working with clay and acrylics and oils though. The only problem is, the stuff takes time to set up and clean up. :P I don't have a kiln either, so I have to use the school's (or the old dude's who lives in a barn down the street and sells pottery. That guy is AWESOME).

Drawing on the computer is a lot more convenient, 'cause there's no mess to deal with when you're done. I found you don't get the same feeling from it though...I mean being able to touch something that you created and move it about the room makes it a lot more valuable to me.

to true to true

yeah, I've got several pieces of raku pottery *HHEHE FIRE COOL!*, thats the flaming orbs int eh pictures on my deart sit . it is a japanese porcilin, but what makes it raku is the glaze...after firing the pottery, you do the standard glaze step with raku glazes and let it dry, but instead of putting it back into a standard kiln, you heat it to white hot with a blow torch and throw it in a barrel of newspaper, this sets the glazes to metalic sheens

so cool, I want to do some more, but havnt gotten around to it yet

I've never heard about that before! Using a blow torch to fire glaze...dude that sounds like something I'd like to try.

Hah, what I never masted though was the potter's wheel. My jars/vases would always come out lumpy and mishapen 'cause I don't have enough upper body strength to keep it centred on the wheel. Plus I can't seem to keep my elbows on my knees very long... Sculptures are more fun anyways. :>

so right there with you, hate the pottery wheel, my mom used to work at a pottery bar in marshal texas, she is a tole/decorative painter, most of those potters could throw a 5 gallon pot in less then 5 minites, not to mention hold themselves out horizontally from a poll with the strngth of there arms and hands...

I did the raku pottery at a comunity center in denver colorado, I'm in houston texas now and I've seen a pottery place that has raku workshops once a month, most raku kilns are hand made by a little center like that, they basicly take a cast iron drum and lower it over 1 or more blow torches burning so they can do multiple pieces at a time, and they get so hot they stay white for several minites after being taken out into the air, after being inthe paper for several minites they put them in a tub of water, you get all kinds of coppers and metalic blues and greens...

I so wanna do that again, most place just charge a minimal amount per month or 6 weeks, and then you provide your own clay....another kind of raku is horsehair....instead of going into the barrel of paper they set it on a table and throw pieces of horsehair at it and it burns the white porcilin black in the ausume designs

I like painting things, computer and manual. It's really fun, I enjoy it. I used to have a devArt, but I killed it cause I hated everything that was in it lolol :P

origami is a good time waster too lol

Ok, so I've been looking at your scetchbook...and I have a few comments, and questions

now your not giving any spefic mediums on particular paintings
are they all on the comp, or painted then uloaded? or combinations?

teal and yellow, there is nothing wrong with that nose, I think it is the line of the face that is throwing you off, but, the only thing that can improve faces,forms,figures, noses eyes ect is prqactive, but even that has its drawbacks,

the brain processesobjects into symbols, pretty much vector equivialant,simplified sybols, and you have to overcome that when your drawing, expecially from a refrence photo, dont draw what your brain thinks SHOULD be a nose, draw the actual lines and there relationships to each other

a good way to practive this is to use a refrese photo, a line drawing works best and turn it upside down, so that your brain cant automaticly recognize the shapes, even the most experianced artists need to break there mental habits from time to time

the looking spot is ausome, love the negitive space and that apple rocks too, was the apple a class excersize?

i love "blue" (granted it just may be the twirling shapes) and rings too, your very good with forms

I was always drawn to watercolor because it came natural, I use a oil painting glazing technic though, not tradition styles

all in all, I think your very inventive, and I love your colors

origami rocks

that reminds me, I should takes some pics of soem of mine and put them on my site

why didnt you like your stuff?

you should always be unsatisfied but never give up

I just searched to see if there were any workshops like that up here in New Hampshire...apparently there is, later this month! The fee is more than I make in a week though, haha.

But the raku glazes really do look stunning; you were right about the variety of metallic hues.

origami rocks

that reminds me, I should takes some pics of soem of mine and put them on my site

why didnt you like your stuff?

you should always be unsatisfied but never give up
I never gave up lol, I just hated it :P

now your not giving any spefic mediums on particular paintings
are they all on the comp, or painted then uloaded? or combinations?

They're all done with an online Java applet called Shi-Painter. You work with a canvas and toolbars like any other graphics programme, except when you save the painting it uploads to the 'oekaki board', where people can view the animation and watch your steps and leave comments and stuff. It's kinda neat. I haven't done many recent paintings with natural media, so I haven't uploaded any onto the computer yet. Soon hopefully!

teal and yellow, there is nothing wrong with that nose, I think it is the line of the face that is throwing you off, but, the only thing that can improve faces,forms,figures, noses eyes ect is prqactive, but even that has its drawbacks,

the brain processesobjects into symbols, pretty much vector equivialant,simplified sybols, and you have to overcome that when your drawing, expecially from a refrence photo, dont draw what your brain thinks SHOULD be a nose, draw the actual lines and there relationships to each other

a good way to practive this is to use a refrese photo, a line drawing works best and turn it upside down, so that your brain cant automaticly recognize the shapes, even the most experianced artists need to break there mental habits from time to time

I'm sort of struggling between surrealism and realism at the moment, so my sketches of people come out very awkward-looking. I mean I want to exaggarate features while at the same time keeping the eye of the viewer intact. Surrealism is more interesting than realism for me, but you need to have the latter to pull it all together, and I'm trying to become less stubborn and use more references to improve that aspect. :P

I actually don't look at lines when I draw from reference - I look at value. I guess this is why I was never good with pencil, charcoal, etc, 'cause I like to start dark and go light. Just throw some blobs on the canvas, get the basic value down and work on the lighter tones in the shapes that I see them as. Of course when I'm just doing it from memory (like most of the drawings in my sketchbook) that gets all screwed up and that's when the actual form can get all funky and stuff.


the looking spot is ausome, love the negitive space and that apple rocks too, was the apple a class excersize?

That apple was actually the product of an artist's block; I was talking to my friend and I was like "Dude I need a colour scheme, and a subject" and he's like "Okay, I'm gonna pick two colours, and I want you to draw me an apple with them, on a table, with a green leaf." So that's what I did. :P

Even though all of those were done with a 'watercolour' tool, I actually can't stand natural watercolours, simply because you have to start light and go about it carefully, gradually moving into the darker values. Make one mistake and you gotta start all over, or work it into the piece somehow. Very frustrating...

Even though all of those were done with a 'watercolour' tool, I actually can't stand natural watercolours, simply because you have to start light and go about it carefully, gradually moving into the darker values. Make one mistake and you gotta start all over, or work it into the piece somehow. Very frustrating...

*laughs* see its the oppisote for me, my mother works in acrylics, and I never could get it down, I cant "instictivly" "make" it do what I want, so I get frustrated and walk away before I break the canvas over my knee, the only time i've been sucsessful with acrylic is on a large scale like a mural, where I set up kind of a color by number, because the key isnt ussually detail, its the whole shabang...which is why I think the dolling/pixiling came natural for me, same shapes and technics as the mural

I was asking about the apple because in art class....um, art III I think, junior year in highschool, we had a "guest painter" in art class and that was the assignment, to paint and apple on a table, which helped with my acrylics, but I still dont like them

and after the whole lesson and he "analyzed" the paintings, they were all really good because of his intruction technic (even the art is a free elective people)...the only thing that almost everyone missed was the reflective shadown on the shadowed edge of the apple, which you have, and I was like "COOL" your instictive with forms, which is what most people find hard

by the way the only two people in the room who got the shadows correct were me and my best friend...who draw for "fun" while I pull my hair out and go insane

(woo hoo 18 posts! only 482 more before I get an avatar!)

Hah, yeah, I actually added that last because I was looking it over and was like "hmm, something doesn't look quite right...Aha! It needs to cast a shadow!" We've done apples in art class too, in fact it was just a couple weeks before I did that apple for my friend, but it was just a coincidence that he chose that subject for me to draw. :P

Oh man I've always wanted to paint a mural. Like a really huge one. Where have you done them - at school, in your room, etc??

my mom and I painted on in the bathroom when i was in highschool, did a ferest with dragon and faeries theme, and I've done a couple of baby rooms, and a wall for a church on time, and I've done several seasonal windows

thats a good way to make extra cash during the holidays, you walk from door to door and have a few designs, some bussinesses will get them all year round

did it first in art clas in high school, as a fund raiser, then after christmas you go back and charge them 10 bucks to scrap it off

its a racket but it works

I love clay, it's just that I'm a perfectionist when it comes to stuff (my ceramics teacher will tell you that...) and it takes forever to clean up. (But I hate glazing, and I don't think I can master the wheel.) I do quite a bit of drawing as well.

yeah, I've got several pieces of raku pottery

we did some of that when i took ceramics in high school. all my pots that i did came out ugly though LOL!

I had several pieces that looked terible

I had several pieces that looked terible

they were all unique and the method was neat, but they didn't get that metallicy shine that it was supposed to get... Just kind burnt and brown...

when they dont shine it means they didnt get enough oxygen when they we're burning in the paper, they do what they call burping, opening the lid of the can so that the fire starts up agiain, sometimes they do that a couple of times, it makes them shinier and more varigated

and then, after all this, the stuff is light sensitive, I have a piece that was bright copper and has since faded considerably, because my momma wanted it set in the window.

thats a good way to make extra cash during the holidays, you walk from door to door and have a few designs, some bussinesses will get them all year round
Dude I never thought of that! Well I did, 'cause someone at work wants a mural done in her daughter's room, but I don't know if my skills are that good for such large projects yet. But going door to door with design samples sounds like a good idea (provided it's in a good neighbourhood :P). What do people usually pay for having them done?

All the stuff you guys are talking about sound so fun to do! unfortunately I live in a not-so-artsy corner of the earth where materials aren't so readily available, and when they are, it's usually super expensive :( It's the culture! Ergh! There isn't so much focus on art/s.

I'll just go find some junk to create :D

Well, you always want to charge for materials PLUS labor

so, for a full blown mural, I charge about 100 dollors a square foot, discounts the better I know you and the more I know you'll show it off...so for simple stuff, ribbons around the corner of a girls room, maybe a little wording, say 200 bucks american, 100 if your a friend, 25 if you feed me and buy me a 6 pack, in addition to materials,

so you have to understand, that this is why I dont do a lot of them, its expensive for most people and time consuming for me....

but profesional sign painters/mural painters are gonna charge about $500 a square foot

for the windows, it smuch cheaper, but you spend a lot less time, most people just want some snow and or poinsetas in the corners, so if its a normal sized window, 25 bucks, 5 for materials 20 for you, should take about 15 minites

something more complex? estimate how long it will take and add 10 bucks, if its gonna take you an hour, charge about 75

then after the season is over, come back and charge a flat rate of 10 or 15 dollors to scrap it off

but this is proportianal to where you live too, I live in the south, and when I was doing this I was in a much smaller town then Houston

so I would add about 20 dollors on top of all those prices here, the more urban the area the more expensive labor is

Heh, I always have a hard time determining the price of things, because I look at time, labour, and subject and try to factor that all in to get a rational price. Charging per square foot sounds a lot easier! I would think the prices vary depending on how detailed the mural is, of course. But it's nice to know what you and professionals are generally charging. Thanks for the info :)

Adrielle, if you live in an area with little demand for art supplies, you should check this guy (http://www.sculpture.org.uk/biography/AndyGoldsworthy) out. ;)

All the stuff you guys are talking about sound so fun to do! unfortunately I live in a not-so-artsy corner of the earth where materials aren't so readily available, and when they are, it's usually super expensive
We must live in the same corner, because my town isn't artsy at all.

Seriously, all I want to do is develop some pictures but there isn't a darkroom anywhere around here.

you should check this guy (http://www.sculpture.org.uk/biography/AndyGoldsworthy) out. ;)

thats a nice little park there, and I'll have to do some more reserch on that guy

if you want cheap supplies, go to your local hardware store...I know this is true for anwhere in america, but I dont know about anywhere else

to the paint department, and there will ussually be an isle or section of "oops" paint. where they didnt mix the correct color, or it was returned
sears marks stuff down every two week untill its 97 cents, then throws it away, other hardware stores are simular, you can sometimes get 5 gallons for a dollor! of course, most are shades of white or brown because its house paint, but it works just the same, and piant cant be legaly just thrown away, latex has to be dry before you can toss it and oil paint is supposed to be disposed of regardless,

most people have some leftover paint in there garage, and are more then happy to give it to you,, if its gooey, just stir it, if it smells like rotten eggs then its gone bad, it can still be used but will not adhere properly to most outdoor surfaces

Your kidding?

I came from a small town, You had to look for things, but they we're there. You could rent the one at the highschool that the photo journalism class used.

You could rent the one at the highschool that the photo journalism class used.
Yeah my high school is the only place I know around here that has a dark room. They're a great place to look for those kind of things (dark rooms, kilns, etc) :)

Andy Goldsworthy is amazing. If you can get ahold of one of is books you'll be blown away by the stuff he creates, and how he goes about it.

I am blowwn away! :O awesome stuff!

well probably it's also because we've not been exposed to it. there's not much of a focus towards it, like in school during art time it's no fun! they don't even have an art corner place, no materials etc? it's just pass your exams 100%! so I guess i'm kind of lost, but i'm slowly finding out that you can actually make things! i love paper. and material. mm. crafty things. but i'm not doing them! I don't exactly know where to start :(

I saw this great site once, then i lost the url! so upsetting. :P i hope i've saved the link somewhere, which reminds me i should go look through my notepad items.

i should go start getting creative :P
Seriously, all I want to do is develop some pictures but there isn't a darkroom anywhere around here.Can you have one at your house? because I know my uncle used to close up a room in the house and develop his stuff there, I could go find out about it?

I don't know where you are adriell, but cheap stuff is best, like, making your own greeting cards, so much fun, I buy most of my stuff at walmart, cheap scetching pag, crayola colored pencils, and kids watercolors like they use in kindergarden (not the washable ones, no even paper absorbs them ther like wax) i used to make all my own christmas cards ect.

The've been cutting so many programs out of school these days its ridiculous,
It stimulates different areas of the brain, like sports, some may seem violent but they enhanse stragy skills, creating and exicuting a plan, things like that that are usful in the bussiness world ect, art is just as important as math

Andy Goldsworthy is amazing. If you can get ahold of one of is books you'll be blown away by the stuff he creates, and how he goes about it.
Yeah he creates "natural forms" art doesnt he? they are great :)

I live in Asia ;)
where academics is, mostly, lauded more than arts. see the horribly degrading question 'are you in science or arts?' sciene=smarter, art=not so.

Anyways, ah, now I need ideas. I'm bored with my card designs..very monotonous. I need to surf around

Sheesh I'm in love with paper <3

one thing that adds a lot of interest to cards
is to paint the inside a color and then the outside another color, when you fold the paper in half trim one edge shorter, or with a patern...
the color underneath shows through
or
use a hole punch to punch a row of holes that will show the color underneath

or, punch a row of holes and weave a ribbon or string through, tieing it with a bow

look at scrap booking websites, they have lots of ideas
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yes asia has very different points of view on academia now,
priorities have changed over time
I think the Japanese we're probably the first to believe that a person must be well rounded to be whole, when westerners still hadnt figured out how to wash there clothes
but then you have to understand most of the historical novels I read are still
fiction

I live in Asia ;)



you know whats weird? for some unknown reason i always thought you lived in australia... i dont remember why i thought that though :lol:

another late night

have webpages ever induced a mass homicide, ya know like the postal service I wonder?

cus this thing is driving me insane

you know whats weird? for some unknown reason i always thought you lived in australia... i dont remember why i thought that though :lol:
well I think because it's because I sort tried to create an alias identity, but that particular phase is over now :)

ah the alias...I can hardly keep one account going, much less keep up with two, or 4 like I have on neopets...they just rot