Okay well, if you go here http://www.whalersfan.com/main.html look at the layout..well i wondered is that just right,left and top frames? and then for the boxs where the menu is, is it just like graphics on the background? i just dont get it :angel:

Those are divs and an iframe in the middle, positioned over an image.

http://www.lissaexplains.com/html7.shtml

http://www.lissaexplains.com/frames.shtml#inline

http://www.lissaexplains.com/html.shtml

Thanks, Lol i guess mine was a reasonable explaination though lol it made sense at least.
but thanks so much :-)

No problem. :)