I've been through the forums and I've tried out the tutorials and the one at www.dhtmlshock.com seems to be the easiest one, but I still don't understand it.

how do I get the up and down links out of my iframe and on the layout itself? Because the tutorial thingy only had the mouseovers in the iframe and I want the effect to stay so when I click on a link and a page opens in the iframe, the up and down thingies are still there, they don't move.......does that make any sense?

here's an example: http://kayla.wishing-blue.net/

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

that page uses a div with a script from http://www.bratta.com

so if you were to use that script, you would not be able to have links open in the scrolling area.