I just wanted to thank you for helping me with all the really complicated frame stuff, and im sorry of this is considered advertising, i would like to show you. My site is Sorry, no advertising. and in the Moulin Rouge and both my fanlistings I used frames. I also used iframes for the index, and if you go to Sorry, no advertising. you can see my other iframe work I would not have been able to figure out without Lissa and this forum (do not be alarmed the pages are supposed to look like that i did not finish them yet) i also used some of your color and other tips for designing my site. Again, I hope this isnt considered advertising but I just wanted to THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH THIS SITE ROCKS!!!!!! Ok, im calm(er) now. bye